Ah, first dates. The excitement, anticipation, dread, hope, the inevitable surprises. It's a crazy world out there! And to complicate matters, there's the bill at the end.
In this day and age the situation surrounding the check is very sticky and must be played just right. It's not only a matter of who pays; it's very telling and important who offers to pay, offers to split it, insists on paying or splitting it, and in what manner and tone of voice such offers or insistings occur.
Some people--males and females alike--believe the man should always pick up the tab on the first date. Of course if you are a lesbian or gay couple this perspective is moot. But for many people it is expected, appreciated, and it's often an easy solution.
Then there's another common rule of thumb: whoever does the asking out does the paying. A slight twist might be whoever plans the date does the paying. After all, if you invite someone out and plan even a moderately expensive night out, it's not polite to expect the other person to pay no matter their gender.
So how do you decide?
If the man does the asking/planning, then it's pretty simple: he should pay. Ladies, you should at least offer, especially if you want to be asked out again. If you fully expect him to pay and don't mind letting him know, just smile sweetly when he picks up the bill and say "Thank you so much; I really enjoyed this." If you want to make sure he knows you aren't a high maintenance traditionalist, say "Thanks so much; I really appreciate it. I'll get it next time." [insert flirtatious smile when referring to "next time"] Note: This works whether or not you're actually intending for there to be a next time. If you are a devoted feminist then simply insist on splitting the check.
If the female does the asking/planning, she should be fully expect to pay and promply pick up the check as soon as it's placed. If your date protests you should say "I insist. I invited you!" If they counter-insist, you can say "You can plan the next date" if in fact you plan on seeing him again. If you don't plan on seeing him again, you might as well at least let him pay half. :-) There will be some men who will absolutely insist, in which case I advise letting him pay. If you're a traditionalist, consider yourself lucky that you found a kindred spirit; if you're not, still let him pay (he probably wants to express his gratitude that you took the pressure off him and asked him out), but tell him you won't take no for an answer next time.
In cases of the first date I really don't think either person's income, assets, or lack thereof should be any part of the decision. What do you think???
January 11, 2008
Who Pays on the First Date?
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I agree, whoever does the asking out should do the paying. And guys, if she offers to pick up the tab or split the bill, politely refuse. She's probably just saying that to be nice and if you take her up on it you'll end up looking cheap.
Unless of course she vehemently insists because you were insanely charming and she now worships you. Then just lean back, smile, and bask in your overpowering sex appeal.
I agree that in the world of equality that the person who asks pays.
Been a long time since I've been in the dating scene, but I say whomever asks pays.
Secondarily, the winner of the battle over the check pays. :)
I think that the person who asks pays, but if the girl asks and the guy offers to pay, she should can let him. For first dates.
I've been with my boy for 3.5 years, and I pay more often than not because I have/make more money, but... that is a different story.
Oh, cory, it's a good thing you and I will never go out on a date! I much prefer whoever asked paying or (since that's sometimes hard to figure out!) each person sharing the cost, even if it's just one person getting the tip. I really disliked it the couple of times my dates insisted on paying for everything, at that point it seemed aggressive to the point of being hostile. And hostile doesn't lead to Date #2.
I actually like it when the girl offers (sincerely) to pay or split the bill :) but when the guy does the asking he should generally do the paying. If we go out though feministfinance I'll let you get the tip :)
Well here's what happened (yes, I had a date last night, which is what prompted the post!):
We got to the restaurant and had to wait for a table for about 45 minutes, so we ordered drinks at the bar. He slid the bartender his card, and I didn't protest; I just made a mental note to make sure to sincerely offer to split dinner.
Well, at the end of dinner he didn't even let the bill come--when the waiter asked if we wanted dessert and we declined, he swiftly slipped the waiter his card before even waiting for the bill!
Of course I noticed and smilingly admonished him. "You shouldn't have done that--you didn't even give me a chance tooffer." He made a half innocent, half "it's nothing" face and didn't respond and that was that.
I did expect him to pay since a) he asked me out and picked the restaurant and b) he picked a bottle of wine to share and freely ordered more drinks than me during dinner and c) he's from the South and had already demonstrated himself to be a perfect gentleman, opening car doors for me, etc.
But I still insisted on getting our drinks when we went to a bar after dinner. Though somehow I only managed to pay for the first round...
The real question Meg is what happened after you guys left the bar ;)
Very funny, Cory! As I said, he was a perfect gentleman. :-)
Generally, whomever does the asking out should be the one paying however as a guy, I always like to pay. But I do greatly appreciate a sincere offering to pay from the female. It gets really sticky though when you have gone out with someone interesting lets say, 3-4 times and she has yet to offer to pay once! What do you do then? Clearly you are still interested otherwise you wouldn't have made it through that many dates but you begin to question things.
BTW Meg, I think I was the guy you went out on a date with...
...just kidding. It would be quite funny if he did in fact read this blog though.
Money Junkie - My heart dropped when I read that--glad you admitted you were kidding right away!
I agree with you it gets even stickier after the first date. I dated a guy who told me two years into the relationship that one of the things he really loved about me was that I regularly contributed to our dates--even if it was just paying for the cab home. He loved that I insisted on doing things, even if they were much smaller financially than what he was doing. I was stunned because that seemed like such a given; I realized then that all girls aren't necessarily like that--and maybe they should be!
Hmm I think finances do come into play, especially if finances have been talked about previous or during the date.
I practically always pay on the first date. But if she doesn't at least offer to pay for herself, it does leave a bad impression. I would of course insist, but you should at least offer!
I still feel like men should pay on the first date or at least we can share!
"I think that the person who asks pays" given that women ask men around 10% of the time (I m being generous here) this argument does not hold ground.
If the first date is below 20$ then I pay, you don't want to be cheap but at the same time you dont want to be taken for a ride.
No one wants to be taken for granted. There are always conflicts of interests in a relationship therefore you should be assertive and hold your ground.
If a women wants to be wined and dined I offer her 2 options:
a) If she expects me to pay the bill then i expect her to cook me dinner next time with backrubs
b) we can go dutch and she'll have a choice of seeing me again or not
obviously, if I m on a date and I dont find a chemistry with a girl then I just go dutch.
furthermore, when I pay on a date, i don't tip as i always request that she handles the tip, the amount she tips could reflect how generous (or not!) she is.
Now if a women says if you dont wine and dine me you ain't getting nothing, then I tell them GOOD RIDDANCE!
Think abundance my friends, the number of single women dying to go out with you is numerous, so NEXT!
MH
women are fucking stupid when it comes to common sense.
Women always try to get men to pay for a first date because they think this is part of chivalry. But we also know that women feel they are "equal" to men, based upon Feminism. So then why do women complain when they have to pay for dates? They should have to pay for their own meals, buy their own diamond rings, etc. Since women want to be equal to men, they should put their money where there mouth is and stop complaining about having to pay for anything. You can't be a 'strong, independent' woman and depend on a man for anything. That's hypocrisy.
Also women make the stupid argument that whoever asks out should do the paying. What complete morons. We all know that men ask women out because that's basic biology. If we used that stupid criteria, we should be able to say whoever is the strongest person for the job gets the job. But women would throw a FIT if they couldn't get into the fire dept. or police dept. And we all know that the state lowers the standards just so they can get women into jobs they don't deserve. This is a FACT you idiot women. Look it up! Men obviously do much better in testing for those jobs. But women have whined about men taking advantage of their natural abilities.
But when men also say women are taking advantage of their natural advantage by saying that whoever asks should pay, suddenly women don't care about "fair" play like they CLAIM.
It's funny how women point to "gentlemen" as a "traditional" role men should play, but these same stupid b|tches suddenly have problems when we tell them to act like a lady and play their traditional role. Suddenly they say they are "strong and independent" and don't have to follow stereotypes. Yet these same stupid b|tches have no problem applying stereotypes to men like having them pay for their stuff. This shows that women are just babies that lie about being "independent". Women are too stupid to know what real independence is.
Women only care about getting SPECIAL PRIVILEGES. not EQUAL RIGHTS. So "whoever asks out first should pay" is a hypocritical argument that doesn't work. You have to be pretty stupid not to understand that.
oh, and for those of you morons who say i'm "stereotyping" or being unfair when i'm addressing this to women, you've obviously never been on a date.
oh, and for the morons who say that women do the same work as men-- WRONG IDIOTS! LOOK IT UP! men work LONGER HOURS AND MORE DANGEROUS JOBS YOU MORONS. That's why men get paid more! They EARN IT! Not like you idiot women who just look for handouts or are gold diggers and leeches trying to get money from men. Yeah let's see women work in coal mines or other dangerous jobs like men do. Hardly any there. Women are lazy pieces of shit that just want a free ride off of men.
oh, and for the morons who think that men should pay to show they care-- WRONG IDIOTS! in the old days, men had all the money. so they HAD to care for women financially. but now these selfish women want to make the same money as a man and STILL have a man pay all their bills. this just shows how self-centered women are. no wonder men today just use them for sex and toss them away. women today are WORTHLESS. if a woman wants a man to pay "just to show he cares", what does a man get from a woman to show that she cares? NOTHING. he doesn't get a blow job. he doesn't get anything but her "thanks for the free dinner!" women will take your time and attention that you could be spending on another woman, just so she can say guys want her. this proves that women are attention s|uts. they will do anything just for a guy's attention and try to pretend like they are innocent.
see, women are allowed to lie and pretend they are interested just so they can get the man's money. but a man is not allowed to lie to a woman. he has to PAY in order to date her. this just shows that today's men are total PUSSSIES! who have no backbone whatsoever.
To Anonymous posting before me...
If I actually agree with some of the things you're saying, your tendency to insult women at every chance and calling them names makes your misogyny transparent.
I'm always very happy to split or go in turns, as I don't see why we shouldn't, but in the same way I expect my man to share domestic work and such with me. As you say, in order to get rid of gender roles, we need to let go of all of them, not only the ones that hurt our biological sex.
Also, I'm sorry you were hurt by a woman so deeply it made you a sexist crass pig.
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